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Lady Vireo · Feb 11, 2010, 05:07 PM // 17:07

I'm having a hard time finding concrete info on the latest ele builds for UW. I've searched Guru and PvXwiki, but most of the builds I ran across were deleted, ancient, or pre-Dhuum.

I've been playing for 3+ years, and I've had good luck running various terratank builds for PvE and farming. Truth is, though, I've never been to UW and I think I'd better do my research before I jump into town and say, "UW noob lfg! Somebody show me the ropes?" haha.

So, my question is, are eles very popular for UW right now? Is there a good build for an ele joining a team to do quests, and/or is there a good ele build for soloing specific areas for drops? I'm interested in both team play and soloing if possible. I would love an earth build but am certainly willing to get skill/equip for just about anything. I know now may not be a great time for this, since nerfs are imminent, but I figured it was worth a try, if there are ele options that will not be effected by the upcoming balance.

Thanks!

Cuilan · Feb 11, 2010, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Eles can 600, spirit spam with a partner spirit spammer, emo heal/bond with a group, then there's some silly Dhuum tank build thingy.

Ralisti · Feb 11, 2010, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Lady Vireo

the upcoming balance.

When is that again?

I also wonder if terra tanking will be back after the smiter+perma is gone, if that ever happens

Chthon · Feb 11, 2010, 05:57 PM // 17:57

ER eles are the backbone of balanced clear teams. Once Perma is finally nerfed, good ER eles will be in huge demand.

MasterSasori · Feb 11, 2010, 06:22 PM // 18:22

ER Infuser.

Monks are out of fashion

REDdelver · Feb 11, 2010, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

ER Infuser.

Monks are out of fashion

Not true. Maybe in a hero sense, but not in a human sense.

I've never seen one group asking for ER's in TOA, its always ua or hb monks. Stand in district and prove otherwise.

Not to mention, theres not a whole lot of Ele's that actually want to ER. Does it work? yea furshur. Do you see people asking for a human ER a lot elsewhere.....no.

Zodiac Meteor · Feb 11, 2010, 07:02 PM // 19:02

ER infuser, it's like the other monk. If your team is 7/8 and needs that one monk your fire ele can switch to ER infuser and grab something else.

Rugar · Feb 11, 2010, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Ralisti

When is that again?

This month....

snowman relic · Feb 11, 2010, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Chthon

ER eles are the backbone of balanced clear teams. Once Perma is finally nerfed, good ER eles will be in huge demand.

Lol i love how people belive only sins and monks are going to take a hit im also thinking anet is going to kill obsidian flesh and ER they already nerfed rangers so their pretty safe Feast of Corruption will probably be hit and a couple other skills

Braxton619 · Feb 11, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

ER Infuser is totally bad ass. Basically its a Elementalist who has infinite energy. It can heal the team 24/7. Even if ER is stripped, they will have 100+ energy to keep the team alive. Highly recommended.

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Energy Storage: 12+1+1
Protection Prayers: 8
Healing Prayers: 10
Cast LA on the ER so he can restore his health quickly after Infuse.

Chthon · Feb 11, 2010, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by REDdelver

Not true. Maybe in a hero sense, but not in a human sense.

I've never seen one group asking for ER's in TOA, its always ua or hb monks. Stand in district and prove otherwise.

Not to mention, theres not a whole lot of Ele's that actually want to ER. Does it work? yea furshur. Do you see people asking for a human ER a lot elsewhere.....no.

Just because a belief is common does not mean that it's not idiotic. Except in the face of truly extreme enchant stripping, conditions/hexes that utterly incapacitate the whole team, or relentless party-wide pressure, ER is just outright superior to any monk build.

Anywho, even if you cannot find PUGs, if you get good enough at ER, I would always be happy to take you in my alliance groups.

Masmar · Feb 11, 2010, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Cause em ER is hard and em definately doesnt involve spamming..

Arrogant Bastard · Feb 12, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by REDdelver

Not true. Maybe in a hero sense, but not in a human sense.

I've never seen one group asking for ER's in TOA, its always ua or hb monks. Stand in district and prove otherwise.

Not to mention, theres not a whole lot of Ele's that actually want to ER. Does it work? yea furshur. Do you see people asking for a human ER a lot elsewhere.....no.

Your point is invalid because ER eles are in the current UWSC meta.

Monks are really only used for UA in fowsc.

REDdelver · Feb 12, 2010, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by Arrogant Bastard

Your point is invalid because ER eles are in the current UWSC meta.

Monks are really only used for UA in fowsc.

Actually, no my point isnt. The dayway sc is a different bar than an ER prot'er. Learn the bars.

Arrogant Bastard · Feb 12, 2010, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by REDdelver

Actually, no my point isnt. The dayway sc is a different bar than an ER prot'er. Learn the bars.

My mistake, I forgot the ele in dayway doesn't use Ether Renewal.

Sorry about that.

Fril Estelin · Feb 12, 2010, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Note to OP: ER ele require a bit of practice/knowledge, it's no longer a "traditional" ele role, in the sense of "nuking". So you need to position yourself as a monk in the group, you need to focus on both surviving while healing the others (the traditional role of the monk). In NM it's not so hard, it's more a matter of avoiding putting the group in danger, while it can take a little bit of skills in HM.

Before you use it, practice it in PvE, bring some warriors and dervish H/H, and act as the healer. GL and HF

HigherMinion · Feb 13, 2010, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by REDdelver

Not true. Maybe in a hero sense, but not in a human sense.

I've never seen one group asking for ER's in TOA, its always ua or hb monks. Stand in district and prove otherwise.

Not to mention, theres not a whole lot of Ele's that actually want to ER. Does it work? yea furshur. Do you see people asking for a human ER a lot elsewhere.....no.

monks are alot slower, and the UA / HB teams are rather unreliable as they're just full of spike-heals with generally only one or two prots. They will never be as fast as a good Dual-ER team.

People will learn how to play it as soon as someone writes a guilde and supplies a decent build to run. I hope.

Malician · Feb 13, 2010, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

monks are alot slower, and the UA / HB teams are rather unreliable as they're just full of spike-heals with generally only one or two prots. They will never be as fast as a good Dual-ER team.

People will learn how to play it as soon as someone writes a guilde and supplies a decent build to run. I hope.

Perhaps. There's no playstyle and skill combination which is really identical, so nobody is great at it right off the bat. Many people fail at keeping prot bond up, let alone understanding positioning, how to keep frontliners alive without getting 'rupted or stripped, what to do when (do I heal? prot? throw down GDW?) how to use each of those skills properly..

I'm leery of writing a guide for it until the patch goes live so as not to waste the effort in case it's nerfed =)

Lady Vireo · Feb 13, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Wow, thanks so much everyone. It's great to hear eles have good options. I really appreciate all the suggestions--and lively discussion. ;D

ER infuser sounds like the way to go. Thanks for the template code, Braxton, and the input on strategy, Fril. I will take a crack at practicing this in PvE! (Any suggestions on what areas to practice in? Though I gather it's just really effective wherever the team is taking pressure.)

So I get the idea that ER works great, but is somewhat challenging to learn. Are you guys saying that because it's nontraditional, it's loved by some but not universally popular? Is the build in this thread pretty standard, or is there a lot of individual variation?

What would a team build that includes ER look like? Or is it just a good healer that can jump on any team? Someone also mentioned a different ele build for dayway. I've heard of dayway (not sure who hasn't heard of dayway) but don't know the builds for it. What kind of ele does it call for?

Okay, one last question. Cuilan mentioned a 600 ele. Is that a solo or team build and what skills does that use?

Thanks, all, the help is great!

Edit: About equipment for ER, I assume for weapons, a +20% enchant mod is a given? So a heal/prot staff perhaps? As far as armor goes, Braxton, did you literally mean 100+ energy? In that case I'm assuming radiant insignias and attunement runes? Or would blessed or survivor be better, and go with a high energy focus and +20 enchant sword/axe/spear combo?

ElnoreVarda · Feb 13, 2010, 09:06 AM // 09:06

There are several ER bars. They all revolve around spamming fast recharing heal/prot skills and/or keeping up bonds. Look through the prot and heal trees and youll see what skills for well with ERing.

Bring whatever equip or armor you feel like. If you maintain Pbond you a high energy pool so you dont get energy spiked. People say around 100, but 80-90 is sufficent, depending on reaction time. A high energy set is quite important too. Max hp should be around 500-550, once you have that you can put whatever you want on your armor or weapons.